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The world's biggest movie critic has some choice words regarding games as art. Check out what Roger Ebert has to say and how gamers are reacting!
Film critic Roger Ebert riled up plenty of gamers this weekend with his rebuttal to author/filmmaker/game producer Clive Barker's comments about Ebert's declaration that video games are not art. Ebert essentially went through Barker's comments, line by line, de-constructing his arguments, with pretty convincing results, impressing some of the most cynical bloggers. This one in particular seemed to sap much of the strength of Barker's words:
Barker:
"We can debate what art is, we can debate it forever. If the experience moves you in some way or another ... even if it moves your bowels ... I think it is worthy of some serious study."Ebert: Perhaps if the experience moves your bowels, it is worthy of some serious medical study. Many experiences that move me in some way or another are not art. A year ago I lost the ability (temporarily, I hope) to speak. I was deeply moved by the experience. It was not art.
Art is in the eye of the beholder, says Barker.
In my opinion, Ebert's argument is empowered as much by his own words as it is strengthened by the weakness of Barker's. As an video game artist, Barker has an agenda to push--his own. The "moves your bowels" comment comes from his background in horror-based narratives. Like games, horror movies are usually produced for profit first, and art second. Is Barker an artist? I'm not familiar enough with his work to say so, but I would assume he is. Is his medium the best example of art? Judging by the fact that it's almost exclusively horror-based., I'd have to say no. If a more prolific voice in the gaming industry like Shigeru Miyamoto or Fumito Ueda (creator of Ico and Shadow of the Colossus) made an argument with their projects in mind, I'd say that Ebert would have a harder time disagreeing.
In the meantime, there's still a very convincing counter-argument to Ebert's from Kotaku's Mark Wilson. Using Ebert's method of breaking down the discussion line by line, Wilson ably argues against one of the world's most famous critics. Here's one particular point Wilson makes that challenges Ebert's notions:
Ebert: The word "prejudiced" often translates as "disagrees with me." I might suggest that gamers have a prejudiced view of their medium, and particularly what it can be. Games may not be Shakespeare quite yet, but I have the prejudice that they never will be, and some gamers are prejudiced that they will.
Wilson: Undoubtedly, we are all a little prejudiced, but I would argue gamers have less prejudice than their films-triumph-games counterparts. Just look at the example you've offered us: Shakespeare. Not only are we now operating under the tacit agreement that movies have matched one of the highest incarnations of the written word (a topic worthy of its own debates, surely), but that videogamesa medium but a few decades into widespread explorationare to keep up with over a century of progress (film), 9,000 years of advancement (writing) or a history as old as humanity itself (theater).
I look forward to seeing this argument evolve. Each participant has very valid opinions and the readers are all the more educated for hearing what each one has to say. Hopefully Ebert will see fit to respond.
Hey, thanks: rogerebert.com, Kotaku
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Posted at: 07/24/07 at 7:27 AM PST
nice article
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 11:06 AM PST
I can see why lots of gamers are riled up about Ebert's comments.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 11:06 AM PST
I dont think he even has the authority to talk about video games not to mention EVEN take shots at it.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 12:11 PM PST
Why do you post twice on every page, just put it all in one. Well thats his opinion and i don't really care for it. He should stick to the Movies.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 3:28 PM PST
WHERE IS LINK!?!?!?!?!?!!?
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 3:45 PM PST
i don't know shammon, maybe it will be in a feature that hasn't been out yet but latr on today. duuuuuhhhh.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 4:16 PM PST
I don't consider videogames to be art either. There's a lot of art that goes into them, but when it comes down to it I want to play a damn game, not look at it. I don't want to have deep discussions of how a game make me feel, because I just wanna play the damn thing. To many game developers are too busy trying to make art that they forget about putting any actual good gameplay in them.
I also hate when developers talk about the gameplay experience. I don't want an experience when I play a game. It's not a damn orgasm it's a game. I just wanna play it.
Because he's trying top spam his way into the hero rank.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 4:17 PM PST
Trying to spam his way I mean. Sorry for posting twice too, buy I had to clarify my typo.
Posted at: 07/24/07 at 4:47 PM PST
You got me there boy. Good thing you did your homework
Posted at: 07/25/07 at 9:19 AM PST
A bunch of bull. I liked him then he screwed it with his comments.
Posted at: 07/25/07 at 2:47 PM PST
I couldn't put it much better than that Kotaku blogger. It's a shame that Ebert will never see or respond to those comments, seeing as public figures rarely get drawn into lengthy public debates.
Posted at: 07/26/07 at 6:53 PM PST
I myself am an artist I have studied art and work on art daily, I have been to art galleries and lots of the stuff I see that they call art looks like some random slap together to me. but they are put in museums. I would like to show that guy a series of pictures some from art galleries and some from games and ask him which ones are art and which are not. I bet that half the time or more he will call things from video games art. emotionAlso I think he is push his personal opinion on things. Like "This is art. things of the same medium in the past have proven that its art so this is art. Now this (video games) is not art its new and I personaly have never seen any art to come out of it." I also would like to point out that this guy might not have played a game in his life. how can he condemn games as not being art when he does not play them?....
Posted at: 07/26/07 at 6:53 PM PST
...(sorry this had to be spit in 2 because its too long) On another note he seems to be saying that just because a medium is new that it is not art. here "Not only are we now operating under the tacit agreement that movies have matched one of the highest incarnations of the written word (a topic worthy of its own debates, surely), but that videogamesa medium but a few decades into widespread explorationare to keep up with over a century of progress (film), 9,000 years of advancement (writing) or a history as old as humanity itself (theater)." Like saying that games being new can't be art and because thing like writing and treater are so far ahead that games can't be art. That would be like some Aztecs saying that theater and writing are not art because the Aztecs have some odd thousand years head start. Anyway I think the matter at had is not weather video games are art it more weather they are good art. I famous sculpture once put a toilet in a museum and called it art. And many debate weather photography is art or not. Because many photographers don't change the pictures they take at all they just take them and sell them. But photography is regarded as art. All in all I think this guy is overpriced and thinks too highly of himself and his own opinions. In other words I think he needs to shut up. Art is creating, emotion, expression, passion. games have all of these.
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